Jane Goodall On Leadership, Vision, Responsibility and Staying Motivated Through Adversity

Jane Goodall joined CRL's President, Bawa Jain, and Advisors Eli Ingraham and Bart Myers discussing her incredible journey, her impact, challenges we are facing, and how she's helped to overcome so much adversity.

About Jane Goodall:

Equipped with little more than a notebook, binoculars, and her fascination with wildlife, Jane Goodall braved a realm of unknowns to give the world a remarkable window into humankind’s closest living relatives. Through nearly 60 years of groundbreaking work, Dr. Jane Goodall has not only shown us the urgent need to protect chimpanzees from extinction; she has also redefined species conservation to include the needs of local people and the environment. Today she travels the world, speaking about the threats facing chimpanzees and environmental crises, urging each of us to take action on behalf of all living things and planet we share. She is the moral conscience of the World!

About Bawa Jain:

Bawa Jain is a visionary leader who founded a strictly non-partisan platform, The Centre for Responsible Leadership as a response to the growing divides in our society, the rapid eroding of the spirit of compromise and to recognize and higlight Transformational Leaders. A pioneer of religious diplomacy, organized The Millennium World Peace Summit with the office of the United Nations Secretary General. This Summit fundamentally changed the Religious and Inter-Religious landscape, where now the role of Religious Leaders in Public Affairs is critical to finding solutions to the challenges confronting us.

About the CRL:

The Centre for Responsible Leadership was founded to address the major challenges facing the globe by bringing together thought leaders from around the world to explore actionable real world solutions.

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Transcript:

good afternoon everybody and good evening to you jane in london it's a great honor for the crl today to have one of the finest and most compelling dialogue which you all will hear with a person who i have looked up for 20 almost 25 years of my life ever since i first met her she had a deep impact i'm honored to call her my dear sister but as i begin jane can i first begin by offering our sincere heartiest congratulations to her majesty on the platinum i know nobody who is closer to the royal family than you so i just ask you to be the messenger for conveying to her majesty and the royal family whatever inspiration she is but you are not too far behind my dear at 88 you traverse the globe 300 days a week a year right here and continue that with all that you have accomplished all that you have done and transformed millions of lives what motivates you what keeps you going well what keeps me going is the fact that you know here we are the most intellectual being that's ever walked on the planet and yet we don't have wisdom no wise species would destroy its only home and planet earth is our only home so we're not very wise at all there are few wise people but by and large there are big corporations there's corrupt governments um we now have a war in ukraine it's depressing so what keeps me going is i know there's so much goodness in people and i care desperately about all the children being born into this world i care desperately about the animals and and the environment and so as i was given certain gifts and one of them is communication i shall continue fighting as long as i can

okay you wrote this book recently hope i mean uh this is a term which is in great deficit nowadays you look all around the world the situation is dire the environmental issues is on a calamitous precipice look at the amount of hatred in our societies how can one have hope well you know the thing is hope is about action and if we don't take action we may as well give up so i see our species we're at the mouth of a very long and very dark tunnel and right at the end of that tunnel it's a little shining star that's hope but we don't sit at the mouth of the tunnel and say i wonder when that star is coming to us no we have to roll up our sleeves or as the bible says guard our loins i'm not quite sure what that means but it sounds wonderful so we gird our loins and we have to crawl under climb over work our way around all the obstacles that lie between us and that star and these are things like climate change loss of biodiversity poverty unsustainable lifestyles greed pollution you could go on for a long time war hatred discrimination but luckily around the world there are people groups tackling all these different problems so as we go down this tunnel we need to reach out take their hands and say let's look at this as a whole big picture let's work together let's cooperate and try and solve these to the benefit of future generations

with you know what strikes me is that you see all these things you meet all these people but if i were to ask you one question what do you feel is a single biggest challenge confronting us well i'm not sure that there's a good answer to that because i don't think there are single answers to almost anything but i would say one of the big problems today is depression lack of hope and if you if you lose hope and if you look around the world it's so easy to get filled with despair you actually you can't look around and see what's happening without feeling either filled with despair or or anger or a mixture of both and so you know when people come to me and say oh i just feel helpless and hopeless and we keep being told think globally act locally but no because if you think globally you won't have the energy or the will to act locally so always tell people you know find something where you live that you care about maybe it's homelessness maybe you want to get together a drive to raise money for ukrainian refugees maybe you want to pick up litter whatever it is and try and find people to help you and when you do that you'll see you did make a difference and then that makes you feel good so then you want to do more you want to feel better and as you go you inspire people and when you then realize and dare to think globally you realize that all around the globe there are people acting just like you and all of this put together is bound to make a difference and it is making a difference is that what you are hoping to do with the roots and shoots and tell the people a little bit more about roots and shoots i find it so inspiring that you're reaching the youngest generation the people who had the most impressionable age love to know more okay well roots and shoots began just because when i was traveling around the world in the let's say the late 1980s early 1990s i was meeting young people mainly high school university already they were losing hope even back then and they were either depressed or they were angry most of them were just apathetic and i was asking them you know why do you feel like this well you've harmed our future and there's nothing we can do about it so have we harmed their future oh my goodness i would say since the industrial revolution maybe even from the agricultural revolution we have been stealing the future and there's this crazy idea that you can have unlimited economic development on a planet with finite resources which already in some places are you know being depleted faster than nature can replenish them that short-term gain is more important than protecting the environment for the future but anyway when these young people said there was nothing they could do about it that's where i thought no you're wrong and so roots and chutes began with 12 high school students in tanzania on my veranda from eight different high schools and i told them to go and get their friends who felt the same we had a meeting and we decided the main message of roots and shoot is every individual every one of us makes an impact every day and we can choose what sort of impact we make and secondly because everything is so interconnected that every group would choose they choose themselves three projects one to help people want to help animals one to help the environment and they don't all have to do all the projects but they have to share them so that the young people realize how interconnected everything is and if from these 12 students and high school students in dar es salaam we're now in 85 plus countries we have members from kindergarten we have them in university where it's very strong and everything in between and now we have more and more adults wanting to take part like the staff of a big corporation and you know as it began in 91 we have what i call the alumni the people who've been through the program and they keep their values and i would say the key value that they take with them is respect respect for each other respect for animals respect for the environment

well what what interesting jane a lot of the elder people don't make the connection of the animal the human and the environment yet you you say these young children they are the ones who are like the example for the elder people well they do i mean i can't tell you the number of parents that i've met who say well i have to recycle my kids make me well i've had to start eating less meat because my kids don't like to see meat on the table they don't want animals harmed and because this climate change and all these other problems are becoming more and more in the news young people learn about them they hear about them they want them explained and then if they are empowered to choose something that they want to do to make a difference they're so filled with energy and determination and it that's it's really really inspiring so that's where i get my energy from

you know briefly what is the curriculum of fruits and shoots what what do you make them go go through what kind of training they get to choose as long as it's one for animals one for people one for the environment and the the point of choosing is that they will choose something that's relevant to their age and of course the little ones obviously need help but once you get to middle school and high school you choose projects that are that are okay for your age that are suitable for the environment you meet you're in and that's not just your physical environment but also your cultural and your religious environment so you get to choose and it's not top down and that's why i think it's so successful because you know there's always young people who care passionately about animals there's always young people who want to save the environment and trees and things and there's always young people who want to help the homeless or things like that

you know why it strikes me that i've known you now i remember that the lovely fateful day in san francisco uh state of the world forum president gorbachev is inside and all the dignitaries and you and me is sitting out on the steps discussing the challenges of the world what we might be doing yes we were that just

you were all dressed in white

yes i was yes i was my dear jane's sister uh i i i i will that struck me that here was a person with all the dignitaries and where were we sitting outside on the steps of the fairmont hotel well you know so many dignitaries are so pompous and they don't want to spend the time of day with you and back then i mean why were you sitting talking to me i was nobody back then oh you struck me deep in my heart i knew forever this is my sister and and there's a few people i can say this about but to me you are a living saint walking and there's people like you who have inspired change all across the world well that's through the young people and through the amazing team of um support that i've built up around the world there are 26 jane goodall institutes and they develop the roots and shoots they help africa programs where they can and you know we're not just about saving chimpanzees how do you save tombs if the people are starving how do you save chimps if their forests are being cut down by people desperate to find more land to grow food or to make money from charcoal or timber so again it's all this interrelation you can't save the environment when people are living in poverty you can't really save the environment when people are living unsustainable greedy lifestyles and i doubt you can save anything if we can't somehow stamp out corruption how we do that i don't know but the roots and truths youth i'm sure most of them wouldn't be corrupt when they grow up you know strikes me when you talk about this you know some some may consider idealism but how do you work with people who sometimes are perceived as the ones who are creating most damage like you did with conocophillips like you've done with so many other people who people think are rogues but yet you transform them well i think you know the way i feel when i meet somebody who thinks differently from me and i i personally think you're wrong my mother taught me i had this wonderful mother she's up here behind me and she taught me well first of all listen to them because maybe maybe they've got onto something that you've never thought about and anyway you'll get a little bit of feeling about who they are and so i listen and then i think you people must change from within it's no good battering them and pointing fingers at them telling them they've got to change one or two you might change that way but basically no so you've got to reach the heart and how do you do that for me with stories you tell stories on that those few minutes you have to get a feeling you know maybe you find oh we both love dogs or maybe you find oh we both love trees we both want to save trees and then do something to tell a story to reach the heart and by now i've collected up so many stories to reach the heart so

so so what took you the what what story was it that transformed conocophillips to cooperate with human support well i don't know you know the one that i worked with was conoco before it became conoco phillips and after it became conducive basically i don't know you know we have a very difficult ethical tightrope here so you want to work with people to change them if they're the ones who are destroying the planet but at the same time ethically we cannot take chunks of money from something like bp that's destroying the ocean um and you know harming people in congo so when it's somebody like the bp i'll talk to them but we cannot take their money even though people say well you should take their money because they've acquired it in a horrible way now you can use the money for good but then the company will use your name to spread around and say well you know i work with jane goodall so i must be one of the good guys right

so did conoco do that well conoco was one of the most ethical oil companies i've ever heard of which is why eventually they had to join up with uh with phillips first they joined up with dupont which is a anything is a very evil company so you know you can't you just have to work with what you've got and do your best and that's all i can do yeah i'm reminded of another incident which i came across about you is how did you convert jim baker to go leave his hunting well i'm not sure he totally left it but he did realize that he shouldn't do it i don't know if he actually gave it up but um i got to know jim baker pretty well actually and he really really helped me i couldn't have done what i did in africa to go around and start talking about chimps without jim baker because he he um in those days you sent uh you tellie whatever you did you didn't have email back then um he telexed or something like that all the different um embassies in the countries where i wanted to go and said help jane so they did i mean they sort of had to if baker told them to and so i was able to do this round of trips on a shoestring i didn't have much money and so he really he really helped so much that one of the little orphan chimps that i rescued from the market with the help of the ambassador who'd been told by jim to help uh we rescued this little chimp so i called him jim jim b actually

without him let me tell you one story about sort of getting towards what i mean about stories i was talking to the ceo of a big international corporation the other day in singapore and after after i'd done the talking to them on zoom by the way um he and i had a chance for a little chat and he said you know for the last eight years i've been really working to make my company ethical so the right treatment the right wages for the people on the ground where we source our products working with the local community uh working for ethical treatment along the supply chain working to have ethical practices in our main offices but also um treating our customers ethically not trying to overcharge them and cheat them and things like that and he said there were three reasons for this change in me one i saw the writing on the wall i saw that some of these natural resources we were using they're not infinite they're finite secondly consumer pressure people are beginning to demand products that have been made ethically environmentally socially products made without the horrible cruelty meted out to animals in the factory farms but he said what really tipped the balance was my little girl of 10 coming back from school one day and she said daddy they're they're telling me that what you're doing is hurting the planet that's not true is it daddy because it's my planet and that did it

if you have any oh let's dive in and i'll come back i have many more in my head well i just uh want to say thank you for your integrity uh around this and ethics is such an important driver i was also going to just add because i work with a lot of ypowers and you know very high net worth people and often the best way to reach them is through their families often they're men and it's through the wives and the kids because that gets to their heart university so don't say that i've been working for ages to get roots into into the youth of ypa haven't managed yet managed to reach many of the ypowers and the one what the what they call themselves when they beyond the y on their own the w appeals it's now unified but uh jane if there's any way uh i can help uh make that happen i'm happy to because i you know was the chief networks officer there i'm deeply connected with i work for bobby sager who was literally the top of the food chain over there so uh happy to um try to make that happen and i know all the heads of the impact uh space uh over there as well and i can i link you if you send an email to me um i can link you with people who you could chat about it with because it really would you know it's the perfect venue for us it's a great idea let me do whatever i can to try to help make that happen fantastic that would be wonderful that's great bawa do you have jane's email or somebody's email yeah we have all but eli just for information very recently jane went and gave a talk to the ypos and she put it the princely sun yeah we did we mary did that mary louise she said uh she said no jane can't do it you you know you can't expect her to travel all over there and just get a because you know the money never goes to me it goes to the institute and um so mary said well you've got tony blair coming what do you pay him pay jane the same and they did well

it can be a rough crowd but um there's some really really decent sincere people oh i know that i know many of them in fact i had two of them on my board in the u.s my email it's very it's a funny one but don't share it okay no you're recording this yes it is no so i'll give it to aj i'll give it to yeah and i have a question um you you really helped to pioneer and spearhead uh a you know profound movement with with your work with conoco around um starting to move companies to take on a broader responsibility for their impact in the environment um in the communities where they are

where they're operating etc and starting to broaden that perspective and over the last decades we've seen that expand into a pretty incredible movement the the sdgs have been one formulation of that we we now have an articulation of it in the form of esg where uh now many investors particularly the the public employee retirement funds and others are investing with the lens toward companies should be able to deliver uh you know deliver on their goals and also be good stewards but we're at an inflection point now um where the you know we're looking at a a more turbulent economy and economic outlook and uh there's i think there's been a growing voice and chorus um of critics of this and the the classic companies should only pursue profit sort of a statement and um you know i i i think that there's there's definitely a class of companies that that are doing this for the right reasons and are not going to abandon their principles but there's also a class of companies who have been propelled by market forces investors etc and would just love love your perspective on um and and if you were speaking to them what you would say to them to you know stay the course and continue and you know as as you noted you know governments are not are not solving these issues the united states is is shamefully inadequate when it comes to being able to address these types of issues due to our gridlock and so we have to rely to some degree on companies and each other and anyway i'm i'm sure you have a perspective on this and would love to hear it certainly on the on the us i mean while the u.s is so politically divided it's very hard for whoever's elected to do anything um you know it really is anyway have you read paul pullman's recent book netpositive read that yeah we literally an hour ago we're talking to his chief of staff about building a community for this book and talking about it um but please please for for the for the video please uh it would be great to hear your your summary of it

i um i don't really know how to summarize what i think about it i mean i've known paul pullman for a very long time and when i first met him i started asking him about gmos and monsanto and he went very quiet he didn't want to talk about that and i think some of the big companies are you know they've got to report to their shareholders so it's a question of uh kind of reaching the shareholders so that they go along with maybe the ceo of seeing the light like this one who was talked to by his little girl but if all his shareholders didn't go along with his plan to make the company more ethical there wouldn't be that much he could do he'd lose his job so you know you you always have to try and look around and say why is this person behaving the way they are like i've known people go into politics so full of ethics and they're going to do this and they're going to do that and they propose something but then all the people who elected them because of their ethical outlook suddenly realized oh this is going to mean we have to tighten our belt a bit that's going to cost a bit more and they they turn their back on him or her and that that's the big problem so it's never one simple problem to solve you've got to go around it why is this person behaving like that what can we do to help that person behave better can we reach out to all the children of all the shareholders and get them to change their parents i don't know

you know i'm i'm sure you're familiar with rhiann eisler's work i imagine do you know rhiann eisler chalice and the blade uh nurturing our humanity uh first of all the two of you need to know each other if you don't she's just uh as astonishing as you are and has put forward this whole notion and she has been doing this for 50 years you know that that structurally the system of things is just so uh kind of designed to fail right it wasn't designed for people like us to want to succeed it wasn't designed to put people in planet ahead of profit and so it's like our quandary is how do we actually change the structures the business structures you know corporations the structures of governments it's like there needs to be a profound you know reimagining of all the systems on earth daunting yeah it does require um a different outlook and a different a different definition of what is success what is a successful company how will people in the future look at this company and what it did i mean you know it's maybe that's why i work so hard with the young people because they are influencing their parents and they do have a different vision but they're not always realistic and you know you can't just i was just writing the other day about um to a whole lot of environmental lawyers and saying yes we we do need new laws of course it doesn't mean they can't be broken and with our crazy political system you can have a new president come in and overturn a good law just like that how many laws trump overturned i mean it was ridiculous but i said you can't just make a law that will make people lose their jobs you must think about alternative ways for them to make a living right and you know so this is this interconnection of everything one of the things i love about what you're saying about the roots and shoots is that and how the kids have to pick three projects people um animals and an environment it it it points them in the direction of remembering that they are part of nature right and not separate from and so if we can inculcate in our youth this whole idea of a systems view of life that they are part of the interconnectedness of it all you know we're not separate from it that is huge because that will drive the kind of change we we need over time you know i hope i'm still alive you know to see a lot of it happen or at least the beginning of it happen right it's like my only desire people we've got disconnected from nature which is tragic right it doesn't need it actually i mean the being in forest they've now got proof again and again that it actually is good for your physical and mental health but aside from that you know we are part of the natural world we depend on it even in the middle of a city every brick we take every bath full of water or food you know comes from the natural world but what we depend on is healthy ecosystems right and the ecosystem i learned in gombe is made up of these interconnected uh plants and animals and so i see it as like a beautiful tapestry of life and yeah in that tapestry each thread has a role to play so if an animal in that ecosystem becomes disappears it's gone it's like pulling a thread and if you pull enough threads the tap history hangs in tatters and the ecosystem collapses and that's what's happening that's what's happening now for sure i mean human beings have to stop manipulating uh nature and and remember how they are a thread right in the fabric of life and to just be a thread and be moving with the the rest of the system i also wanted to uh underscore something else you said that really struck me is how as you work with these young people they uh ask for advice or ask for direction and it just screams out how much uh adults and older people on the planet need to take the responsibility of being trusted advisors for the young and coming up earth right and we've sort of done a terrible job of that and if there is something that i find myself trying to tell people uh in corporations and organizations where they have influence right is this role of being a trusted advisor to those that are coming along you can't be a trusted advisor in the way we want if you don't have the right epic yourself which many of them i'm afraid don't but you know we are we are beginning uh here australia um other parts of the world beginning to listen to the indigenous people who've stewarded the land for years and years and years so there's a huge meeting i think next week of the indigenous people from latin america and north america canada as well and another big meeting in australia where the indigenous voices are being brought in

the land well we were we were just talking about uh the crazy behavior human behavior that's causing climate change trapping the heat of the sun with co2 and methane and so on and um we were talking about it melting the ice and said yes and what will it take to melt the ice in the human heart oh wow wow that's what it is i mean you know looking at what you pointed out to uh our congress and the senate you know our politician decision makers yeah yeah we have a possibility of reaching out to them through the platforms that we have what would you say to them

well what i've been saying to you i mean nothing i can't think of anything more i'd say to them

you know they have a responsibility and they've somehow got to find a way to make ethical values triumph it's not easy for them many of them and then think of all the hundreds and thousands of people who aren't making enough money to have a decent living the people who've lost their homes the refugees there's so many problems to solve

and yet in all this what what is really keeping me awake in the middle of the night and has deeply disturbed me is what i do cancer in our society it's almost reaching pandemic levels is hatred hatred targeted hatred i mean after 1945 when six million people were targeted just because they were jewish haven't we learned lessons today every day of just hatred crimes was a lady and putting a thrower into the subway in new york yep no it's hatred i know what do we do about it we try and get to but i mean some children grow up in a society where like you might imagine you grow up in um in in iran or iraq or something and you're told uh well if you go and kill people you'll end up in paradise you know here's a suicide vest for you you know go off and detonate yourself and you'll be in paradise in no time that's what that that's what they learn that's that's the wisdom that's passed on to them with them in quotes by their society so you know you've got to change entire societies not easy but we just have to do each person their own bit of the puzzle because nobody can do it all and you know i know my bit is to do with the environment and children but i do totally understand that in some societies the children are learning the wrong values oh yeah jane you you have an incredible message of hope and um you've you've clearly you know accomplished a great deal but i'm sure had many many setbacks we've discussed some of them what what gives you hope today well uh you know when if we start off with the war in ukraine which is so evil and has depressed so many people and it's depressing it's horrible and it makes me so sick with beer anyway but i lived through world war ii and in world war ii i'm down in the south of england and there was no hope for i mean britain wasn't prepared for war and there was the might of the german armed forces on the other side of the channel and i know here where we are by the by the sea the protection that we had was some scaffolding and little bits of barbed that was it and you know all the the home guard coming out with their pitchforks and things like that but although it was hopeless we had churchill and his speeches gave a spirit in the british people we won't be defeated and his famous speech about we will fight them on the beaches we'll fight them in the woods we'll fight them in the city he turned aside to a friend of his and said and we'll fight them with the ends of broken bottles because that's all we bloody got so um that speech has been quoted by president zielinski and his predecessor and so you know you just have to that gives them hope that we did it so they can do it too but then if we leave aside um the ukraine war which is relatively recent the young people give me hope all over the world in 65 countries and other groups like roots and tutes they're changing the world every day and then this brain which we have used badly but we are learning to use it in better ways to live in more harmony with nature and individuals are beginning to realize that although what they do in a day the little choices they make don't make any difference in the whole picture but when millions of people make those little changes suddenly you get changed and then the resilience of nature places we totally destroy if it's time and maybe some help and once again nature can take over first with the plants and then little insects and then birds follow and so on and finally what i call the indomitable spirit the people who tackle what seems impossible and won't give up and so often succeed you know the people icons like nelson mandela martin luther king then there's just people who come into a country no friends no money refugees with nothing and they're probably facing discrimination unfortunately but somehow they managed to find some little job and they build it up and maybe they start a little store and in spite of all the nasty things that have happened to them if you bother to go in and talk to them they smile at you and talk back and then there's the people with tremendous physical disabilities who are out there inspiring people and you think how on earth i mean i know a canadian chris cox he has no arms and no legs he's got just little tiny stumps of arms um little i mean no no longer than whatever that would be six nine inches he goes around the world on a skateboard if he he hops up on the sofa beside you and here's the face shining with the joy of life and intelligence and determination and partly his parents because when he was little they never told him you can't do what your brothers and sisters do you know and he did it somehow or other in his own way but those things that has you know basically people are decent i truly believe that unless they are caught up in some horrible society that twists their minds you know they could be but you mentioned uh president mandela madiba and martin the king but we have somebody living here with us walking with us every day and inspiring us that they jane goodall you've done so much continue to do that so you're being humble my dear and the thing is the truth is that we need more people like eugene you alluded to that there are people who give you hope around the world we would love to in your opinion who are those people can we reach them and also bring them onto these platforms let their voices be heard love to tap your network on that well i'd have to think about that but basically they're all around and there's many of them coming up through the ranks of roots and shoots you know it doesn't have to be the big important people so many people out there working away at what they're doing and inspiring others teachers parents you know and disasters like war or like the twin towers coming down whatever it brings out the best in so many people and when i talk about the indomitable spirit in an audience i say you know every single person is born with this indomitable spirit but sometimes it's crushed by outside forces but sometimes it's just because you don't think to let it grow if you go out there do your part to make this a better world and you know as a human family though we have got to get past needing disaster to bring out the best in us right that is like one of the linchpins we've gotta unlock where every day while we still have hope and time we want to bring out our best right we don't i i would say an answer to that that um we're all surrounded by disaster every day so please let it bring out the best in us no i love that actually i guess we are in crisis every day all of us yeah so in power you are empowering more and more people to not let anything hold them back that's right that's right and that i attribute a lot of it to my mother because when everybody laughed at my dream i'll go to africa when i grow up i said when i was 10 and i'll live with wild animals and i'll write books about them but that was that was some you know 1944 girls didn't do that sort of thing people said dream about what you can achieve jane forget this nonsense about africa you know you don't have money there's a war raging and you're just to go well not my mother if you really want to do this you're going to have to work really hard take advantage of every opportunity and then if you don't give up hopefully you find a way and i wish mom was alive to know how many people have said to me thank you you taught me because you did it i can do it too she's hearing you she's watching she's i can envision her with this big smile well done jane well done she's up there all right i know

absolutely absolutely now one thing which i you know we want to try and launch especially looking at uh i mean why do we need such sophisticated uh automatic semi-automatic weapons and call it the rise of second amendment right to bear arms and every day our children are being destroyed but they want to preserve the guns so with all this hatred we want to launch an initiative on combating hatred i would love for you in a couple of minutes to say how do we combat hatred what should we be doing well i think it's getting children when they're young to understand i mean what do you do with i mean exposing supposing bauer you were sitting down with i'll just take anybody but for the moment i'll take president trump ex-president actually what would you say to him because i i don't want to talk to him because you know i told you that i try to reach people through their heart but how can you reach them if they don't have a heart right yeah when you say this is the thing is what what i am disturbed by is that there's such a significant percentage of the population who believes in that ideology and is perpetuating that and there's so much hatred being sown into a society because of that half the people and that's because of their system that they're in they're surrounded by people all thinking the same way this powerful gun lobby you know pushing its propaganda trump pushing his propaganda meaning fake news uh putin's pushing his propaganda it's now wars of propaganda which i mean okay so with roots in tutes we try as much as possible to bring young people together from different areas different parts of the world different parts of the country and my very first gathering uh was in the u.s i got a bit of money and it was to be a five-day gathering so we got five uh places where they did roots and shoots and i said from each one of these five places i want one rich white person one poor white person one native american and one um no sorry no not a native american one asian and one african-american and they came and my idea was that because they won't really know anyone not even from their own group probably their own city the white ones will form a group the rich ones and the poor ones but also

they'll when they go back if they come from an african-american community where they're discriminated against they'll have friends now in five different places and when we had our first now international gathering from i think at that time it was 30 countries there were two palestinians and one israeli and when we first came together they would not look at each other by the end i don't think they went to bed they were sitting discussing how they could bring peace to their countries and so one thing that that as we try and bring them together mostly virtually because of expense and everything but they come to realize that more important than the color of your skin your culture your religion your language your nation is the fact we're all human beings we all laugh we all cry we all bleed if we're hurt amen amen that's the message but even then you know so i mean if you were to say something to the gun lobby as you mentioned what would you say to them well if i was giving a speech or if i was talking to one or two individuals it would be different but um i don't know i mean they're all a whole lot of mini trumps as far as i'm concerned it would take me a long time to work out what i was going to say

wow yeah i understand it and it means my heart too but i think we have to launch something on a major aggressive note to confront this hate rate you mentioned you know just just statistics i remember recently answered that since 9 11 islamophobia has risen nine thousand percent nine thousand percent in the last three four years we are the anti-semitism has increased 400 every day there are incidents and when will it be enough

yeah well you know when i was in new york when the twin towers came down and the rumors went around that it was uh you know that it was muslims so we we started a program um it was from afghanistan wasn't it yes he thought it was afghan for some reason anyway we started a program we got two young muslim uh teachers both of them teachers we find money for them to go into different schools and talk about the true nature of um you know of of their religion and it's the same with every major religion the golden rule due to others as you would have them do to you yeah yeah i know we are coming up to the hour but i just want to you know everything is known about you as a closing note could you share one thing which people don't know about you what is the one message you'll give people and if you could end us with your lovely call for the chimpanzees which you're so famous for well the thing something that people don't know about me you know quite honestly i think people know flipping well everything about me by now i've been asked every question you could imagine on on uh interviews with the media um have been films about me this you know films and stories about me being mischievous and having a sense of humor liking a little tot of whiskey at the end of the day i found four opera singers separately i said to them what do you do when your voice gets overused like mine and they all said oh whiskey and that's i'm not making that up and one country saying i said the same so it's my medicine we call it my medicine but you know i mean i think the most important message for everybody is every single day you live you make an impact on the planet choose ethically how you live on the planet what do you buy how was it made did it harm the environment was it cruel to animals is it cheap because of child slave labor or unfair wages okay so you've got that part of the message and i'll end up with the chimp call

me jane

oh thank you thank you everyone you heard some pearls of wisdom there are encapsulated here in this lovely book hope follow and as jane says do something everyone can make a difference thank you so much my dear sister thank you thank you thank you everyone thanks bye